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[Flexamill]

liddel also doesnt have excellent ground game hes just trained himself to defend..whens the last time you saw chuck liddel submit someone ? haha he just trained himself the essentials he needs to keep the fight standing. Hughes only being good at one thiing is a weakness make no mistake about it and someone should exploit it to the fullest like penn did (1st two rounds bah)

[Kawz]

I agree that Silva's gonna destroy Lutter and personally I can't wait to see it but my point was if you put an everyday striker against an everyday ground and pound fighter, the ground and pound fighter would come out on top. Chuck's just a freak and nobody can come close to him without catching a couple on the chin. But it should be interesting to see what happens in Liddle vs. Ortiz 2 because Tito's so much stronger now. I still think Liddel will take it but it won't be so easy this time. Arlovski's sambo background is how he beat Sylvia the first time and without it he prolly woulda lost. Sylvia's success is based almost solely on his size not on the greatness of his striking. IF Monson is able to get that big goon down on Saturday it'll be interesting to see what heppens, because Silvia's been beat twice, both when he got taken to the mat. IF Tito is able to do the same thing in December to Liddel it's gonna be interesting kawz Tito's a beast on the ground.

Although BJ was injured that 3rd round he was getting caught with all sorts of punches while they were standing so he was going to lose that fight regardless, but the way Hughes finished him off was disgusting, Penn was just eating it for like 2 minutes straight. But you're right, Hughes has to improve his stand up...for a guy that strong he punches like a chick and if everyone knows you're going for a takedown it'll be pretty obvious on how to defend it. But even still, look at the average fighters...look at the winners of TUF 4....having that ground game is a definite advantage over striking. On that elite level it's a whole new ballgame because those strikers are so devastating, but for the average to great fighters I believe that i've gotta give it to the Jiu-Jitsu guys.

Btw....are they ever gonna do Wanderlai Silva vs. Chuck Liddel like was supposed to happen next month before Tito?

[Flexamill]

Nah arlovskis stand up is his strong point his sambo is good also tho, ur right silvia is a freak so is matt hughes in terms of strength in there respective divisions its there strength that stops them from being exposed many a time. Liddel is a strong striker and that shit will fuck up any one dimensional ground game guy u can think of, cos he can also get back up to his feet so hes got a little more to his game.

But even still, look at the average fighters...look at the winners of TUF 4....having that ground game is a definite advantage over striking. On that elite level it's a whole new ballgame because those strikers are so devastating, but for the average to great fighters I believe that i've gotta give it to the Jiu-Jitsu guys.

Hahaha serra is an absolutly amazing ground fighter he is decorated world class and one of the best in the world at grappling. Lutter is also an outstanding ground and pound fighter. There were no strikers on that show that were remoteley even close to world class so to compare the two is ridiculous. I mean if you put a world class striker on the show and all he did whilst he was there was learn take down defence i can tell you now lutter n serra would of gotten fucked up.

Although BJ was injured that 3rd round he was getting caught with all sorts of punches while they were standing so he was going to lose that fight regardless,

hahahahaha whaaaatttt? Hughes was getting fucked up! Penn was ahead on points by that time he was making hughes look bad in the stand up! Visit any mma forum look up what they think on the fight they will literally all agree to that. Seeeriously bro go rewatch the fight and tell me that wasnt the case.

but the way Hughes finished him off was disgusting, Penn was just eating it for like 2 minutes straight.

hahaha how u gonna give him props for beating down an injured fighter!?! he seperated his ribs!!! there was nothing penn could do!! i fuckin tip my hat off to him for not throwing the towel in penn couldnt do nothing about that. At the end of the day Hughes came out on top and thats all that matters BUT im just saying it shows what a well rounded fighter can do to a one dimensional one.

If you look at Prides champions also you will see that they are nearly all strikers before they are ground fighters
FEDOR EMELIANENKO

WANDERLEI SILVA

TAKANORI GOMI

DAN HENDERSON - ground fighter first but if you saw nearly all of his most recent fights u wudnt know that... he went toe to toe with wanderlai silva

not only that they are all well rounded a one dimensional fighter cannot hold a belt in pride because styles make fights and theres soo many different styles you have to be prepeared for them all.

Btw....are they ever gonna do Wanderlai Silva vs. Chuck Liddel like was supposed to happen next month before Tito?

If tito beats chuck (which he wont) they will probably do it, but i think dana knows silva is too dangerous and it would look bad for the ufc if silva was to fuck him up. Pride also has a fighter named shogun who is better than silva imo so they got another card to play if it fucks up. Although silva is there middleweight champ i think hes like the 3rd best fighter in pride middleweight division ricardo arona n him are 1-1 arona being a ground/submission fighter with excellent stand up.

[Kawz]

Hahaha serra is an absolutly amazing ground fighter he is decorated world class and one of the best in the world at grappling. Lutter is also an outstanding ground and pound fighter. There were no strikers on that show that were remoteley even close to world class so to compare the two is ridiculous. I mean if you put a world class striker on the show and all he did whilst he was there was learn take down defence i can tell you now lutter n serra would of gotten fucked up.

Gideon Ray and Din Thomas are both strong strikers, and Mikey Burnett as old as he now is was a world class fighter. My point is just this, they knew what was coming, they trained on how to defend against it, and they lost. In my opinion Lutter is garbage, anybody with any kind of half decent stand up should be able to beat him, but it didn't happen. He's slow, deliberate, and doesn't protect himself, which is why Anderson Silva is going to take his head off. My question is how come nobody else on that show could, he's one dimensional and should have been beat, i'll even admit that.

hahahahaha whaaaatttt? Hughes was getting fucked up! Penn was ahead on points by that time he was making hughes look bad in the stand up! Visit any mma forum look up what they think on the fight they will literally all agree to that. Seeeriously bro go rewatch the fight and tell me that wasnt the case.

Penn was ahead on points, but his domination on the ground was just as impressive as his stand up. He was able to slip Hughes in that dirty triangle and almost had him choked out. His all around game was beating Hughes not just the stand up. And when I was talking about Hughes connecting with punches, I was talking only about the 3rd round....before that Penn was winning in the stand up category no doubt.

If you look at Prides champions also you will see that they are nearly all strikers before they are ground fighters
FEDOR EMELIANENKO

WANDERLEI SILVA

TAKANORI GOMI

DAN HENDERSON - ground fighter first but if you saw nearly all of his most recent fights u wudnt know that... he went toe to toe with wanderlai silva

not only that they are all well rounded a one dimensional fighter cannot hold a belt in pride because styles make fights and theres soo many different styles you have to be prepeared for them all.

Pride is a different animal all together though, different rules, weight classes etc. favour strikers and thus change the direction of the fight.

[Kawz]

And for those who do not know here's the rest of the card for the night

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=even...htCard&eid=297

[Flexamill]

Gideon Ray and Din Thomas are both strong strikers, and Mikey Burnett as old as he now is was a world class fighter. My point is just this, they knew what was coming, they trained on how to defend against it, and they lost. In my opinion Lutter is garbage, anybody with any kind of half decent stand up should be able to beat him, but it didn't happen. He's slow, deliberate, and doesn't protect himself, which is why Anderson Silva is going to take his head off. My question is how come nobody else on that show could, he's one dimensional and should have been beat, i'll even admit that.

Neither of them are worldclass, din being the better striker of the 2 but hes basically a boxer in there i think he may have a bjj black belt also but he basically goes in there and boxes. I cant say what they trained on but i can speak from what i saw and no one really exhibited take down defence on that show, it was really poor.. i dont remember seeing one effective sprawl.

Pride is a different animal all together though, different rules, weight classes etc. favour strikers and thus change the direction of the fight.

Nah not really, i will say that theres alot more stand up fighting in pride but i think thats down to the fighter more than anything. I say this because the rules are practically exactly the same with the exception that in pride u can kick a downed opponent if hes not face down and in the ufc you can use elbows (but not a pointed one). Thats far from enough to determine the fighting style of an entire organization of fighters. Im not one for the whole pride vs ufc argument but i think pride has better rounded fighters who choose to stand but if they get taken down they are still equppied to cause problems i dont think that can be said for the ufc.

Tim Silvia - Little ground game, great striker
Chuck Liddel - Little ground game, Great striker
Anderson Silva -Ground game? perhaps he trained with the nogs apparantly, great striker
Matt Hughes - Great Ground Game - No striking

I hope gsp beats him cos he seems to be an all round fighter but hes young so i dunno

[Flexamill]

I wanna see brandon vera move down a weight and fuck chuck up who u thinks gonna win with him n mir?

[Cowboy13012]

I wanna see st. pierre get his fucking face pounded in. After walking in on Hughes celebration/interview after his fight, i wanna see him eat his own teeth.

Even though st. pierre said he's sorry. PLUS i hate french canadian faggots.

[steel soldier]

i don't kno who either are, or wat they do....but....

st.pierre cuz nigga look like he related to jean claude van dammmmme! BOOYAKA!!

ohh shitttt son

he said dude look like he related to jean claude van damm



hahahahahaha

[Kawz]

I wanna see brandon vera move down a weight and fuck chuck up who u thinks gonna win with him n mir?

Mir's been weak since he returned from his accident so i'm picking The Truth to win that fight....him vs. Liddell would be interesting

[Heavily Weeded]

First off, no one in the UFC can beat Lidell (pride is a different story)...and St. Pierre is not beating hughes...bet

[Kawz]

We'll see.....we'll see.....

[MidWest]

STP won.................

[Flexamill]

fucks an stp? GSP!! haha them leg kicks were fuckin up matt ability to shoot perfect game plan from georgie im happy for him hes the better all round fighter

[MidWest]

fucks an stp? GSP!! haha them leg kicks were fuckin up matt ability to shoot perfect game plan from georgie im happy for him hes the better all round fighter

stp st. pierre

who needs a first name

I agree didnt see the fightwhich is bullshit

Hughes is an Illinois guy

[bigdog]

*walks into the room, afriad to ask this ?....*

is this EFC n Pride fightin shit 100% real, no gimmicks n shit??

[Cowboy13012]

*walks into the room, afriad to ask this ?....*

is this EFC n Pride fightin shit 100% real, no gimmicks n shit??

*puts bigdog in a guillitine*


Ya it's 100% real. Although i'm a bit paranoid and think it might be fixed like boxing. But ya, it's real.

[Kawz]

Woooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!

Shit, I was partying all Saturday night after seeing St. Pierre destroy Hughes....shit was a thing of beauty.

[MidWest]

http://www.pridefc.com/pride2005/index_new_temp.php


new years eve


The fight card is stacked

[MidWest]

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