Read The TRUTH and Weep!

[Ethereal]

Artist - Immortal Technique

Lyrics - "The Poverty of Philosophy"

Most of my Latino and black people who are struggling to get food, clothes and shelter in the hood are so concerned with that, that philosophising about freedom and socialist democracy is usually unfortunately beyond their rationale. They don't realize that America can't exist without separating them from their identity, because if we had some sense of who we really are, there's no way in hell we'd allow this country to push it's genocidal consensus on our homelands. This ignorance exists, but it can be destroyed.

Niggas talk about change and working within the system to achieve that. The problem with always being a conformist is that when you try to change the system from within, it's not you who changes the system; it's the system that will eventually change you. There is usually nothing wrong with compromise in a situation, but compromising yourself in a situation is another story completely, and I have seen this happen long enough in the few years that I've been alive to know that it's a serious problem. Latino America is a huge colony of countries whose presidents are cowards in the face of economic imperialism. You see, third world countries are rich places, abundant in resources, and many of these countries have the capacity to feed their starving people and the children we always see digging for food in trash on commercials. But plutocracies, in other words a government run by the rich such as this one and traditionally oppressive European states, force the third world into buying overpriced, unnecessary goods while exporting huge portions of their natural resources.

I'm quite sure that people will look upon my attitude and sentiments and look for hypocrisy and hatred in my words. My revolution is born out of love for my people, not hatred for others.

You see, most of Latinos are here because of the great inflation that was caused by American companies in Latin America. Aside from that, many are seeking a life away from the puppet democracies that were funded by the United States; places like El Salvador, Guatemala, Peru, Columbia, Nicaragua, Ecuador and Republica Dominicana, and not just Spanish-speaking countries either, but Haiti and Jamaica as well.

As different as we have been taught to look at each other by colonial society, we are in the same struggle and until we realize that, we'll be fighting for scraps from the table of a system that has kept us subservient instead of being self-determined. And that's why we have no control over when the embargo will stop in Cuba, or when the bombs will stop dropping in Vieques.

But you see, here in America the attitude that is fed to us is that outside of America there live lesser people. "Fuck them, let them fend for themselves." No, Fuck you, they are you. No matter how much you want to dye your hair blonde and put fake eyes in, or follow an anorexic standard of beauty, or no matter how many diamonds you buy from people who exploit your own brutally to get them, no matter what kind of car you drive or what kind of fancy clothes you put on, you will never be them. They're always gonna look at you as nothing but a little monkey. I'd rather be proud of what I am, rather than desperately trying to be something I'm really not, just to fit in. And whether we want to accept it or not, that's what this culture or lack of culture is feeding us.

I want a better life for my family and for my children, but it doesn't have to be at the expense of millions of lives in my homeland. We're given the idea that if we didn't have these people to exploit then America wouldn't be rich enough to let us have these little petty material things in our lives and basic standards of living. No, that's wrong. It's the business giants and the government officials who make all the real money. We have whatever they kick down to us. My enemy is not the average white man, it's not the kid down the block or the kids I see on the street; my enemy is the white man I don't see: the people in the white house, the corporate monopoly owners, fake liberal politicians those are my enemies. The generals of the armies that are mostly conservatives those are the real Mother-Fuckers that I need to bring it to, not the poor, broke country-ass soldier that's too stupid to know shit about the way things are set up.

In fact, I have more in common with most working and middle-class white people than I do with most rich black and Latino people. As much as racism bleeds America, we need to understand that classism is the real issue. Many of us are in the same boat and it's sinking, while these bougie Mother-Fuckers ride on a luxury liner, and as long as we keep fighting over kicking people out of the little boat we're all in, we're gonna miss an opportunity to gain a better standard of living as a whole.

In other words, I don't want to escape the plantation I want to come back, free all my people, hang the Mother-Fucker that kept me there and burn the house to the god damn ground. I want to take over the encomienda and give it back to the people who work the land.

You cannot change the past but you can make the future, and anyone who tells you different is a Fucking lethargic devil. I don't look at a few token Latinos and black people in the public eye as some type of achievement for my people as a whole. Most of those successful individuals are sell-outs and house Negros.

But, I don't consider brothers a sell-out if they move out of the ghetto. Poverty has nothing to do with our people. It's not in our culture to be poor. That's only been the last 500 years of our history; look at the last 2000 years of our existence and what we brought to the world in terms of science, mathematics, agriculture and forms of government. You know the idea of a confederation of provinces where one federal government controls the states? The Europeans who came to this country stole that idea from the Iroquois lead. The idea of impeaching a ruler comes from an Aztec tradition. That's why Montezuma was stoned to death by his own people 'cause he represented the agenda of white Spaniards once he was captured, not the Aztec people who would become Mexicans.

So in conclusion, I'm not gonna vote for anybody just 'cause they black or Latino they have to truly represent the community and represent what's good for all of us proletariat.

Viva la revolution!

[Aqueous Moon]

Ya know what? I like this shit. IT - comes wit tha real...propz

[who-i-b]

Good sh1t. It hasn't been no new threads in a while.

[Aqueous Moon]

Yea...this section is dead. Ya'll niggas need to start building.

[Ethereal]

^I feel u man. I kinda feel personally responsible for killing the knowledge section like 50 did to Hip-Hop but I didn't mean it...seriously lol. I rolled thru like Katrina, crushed all the resident "boss" knowledge heads who shall remain nameless, and just pulled out like I was never here. Eversince then, niccas been avoiding the knowledge section lika a plague haha.

Surely niccas must have views & opinions on politics, the current state of the world, life, history, the psychology of man, how to be, the mechanics of successful & responsible living, I mean just everything...why y'all aint saying nuthin...SPEAK!

Props to the new breed that's been keeping this section alive though. Not to worry, I'm about to inject new life in this bitch with some mentally stimulating topics errbody will wanna participate in. Stay tuned...

[spliffstar]

no offense but..who do u think u are ? i mean...seriously..just postin some immortal technique lyrics..what has that to do with u ? i mean..the lyrics are in his album covers and on his homepage 4 those who cant understand him...i dont get the sense of this thread u made up. and u sound maaaad arrogant the way u talk , just my personal oppinion

[Ethereal]

^I am me. And no offence taken.

U dont know the history of this section which has nuthin to do with Immortal Technique or this thread, so u sound mad ignorant the way u talk. Do ur research, get the facts, and dont confuse truth with arrogance.

[spliffstar]

^I am me. And no offence taken.

U dont know the history of this section which has nuthin to do with Immortal Technique or this thread, so u sound mad ignorant the way u talk. Do ur research, get the facts, and dont confuse truth with arrogance.

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thats what i meant...u just arrogant. but anyway u obviously reached the point where U confuse real life and e life...and hell no im wont do any research bout u , ur history or whatever thats just a waste of time that i can spent better ...time is precious u know...make sure to spent more time in real life with real friends than hangin around in this forum..thats some knowledge for u littlle man and it comes 4 free

[Imani T. Misfit]

This is a song?

[Ethereal]

This is a song?

Yeah it is...good stuff. U should listen to it.

I checked out ur track with Beyonce - good shit man...nice verse.

[Ethereal]

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thats what i meant...u just arrogant. but anyway u obviously reached the point where U confuse real life and e life...and hell no im wont do any research bout u , ur history or whatever thats just a waste of time that i can spent better ...time is precious u know...make sure to spent more time in real life with real friends than hangin around in this forum..thats some knowledge for u littlle man and it comes 4 free

^Eeeease up selecta. It aint that serious u Busta Rhymes groupie wannabe (spliffstar). I was deliberately being controversial to put some life back into the forum coz people are saying it's dead. Discover a sense of humor man. Damn. U take this shit waaaay too serious and actually offer a very good description of why that is (the bold part in ur response above with ur fucked up grammar), so take ur own advice and just log off. These internet kids man <sigh>

At the very least, come up with an intelligent thread worthy of discussion OR smoke a spliff and just chiiiill.

[wutangwarrior]

once again GOD.E amazes me

peace

[Ethereal]

^Peace to u God.

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Oh yeah...if Tech is so aware of this and that of Corporate WHITE america blah blah and its negative influences how come he was interviewed in Playboy....a magazine that has clearly degraded black and latino women as nothing but sexual objects?

No matter how much you want to dye your hair blonde and put fake eyes in, or follow an anorexic standard of beauty, or no matter how many diamonds you buy from people who exploit your own brutally to get them, no matter what kind of car you drive or what kind of fancy clothes you put on, you will never be them. They're always gonna look at you as nothing but a little monkey. I'd rather be proud of what I am, rather than desperately trying to be something I'm really not, just to fit in. And whether we want to accept it or not, that's what this culture or lack of culture is feeding us.

Im pretty sure ive seen Tech sitting in a gas guzzling escalade...and his excuse for being fat and overweight (a burden on tax payers of all races) is that its "him". Doesnt he wear diamond studs?

But he does make a good overall points with the reduction of emphasis on race and more focus on class. Its weird that Vieria agrees with this...he either didnt read the actual "lyrics" or hes realised he's a house negro.

[Ethereal]

Oh yeah...if Tech is so aware of this and that of Corporate WHITE america blah blah and its negative influences how come he was interviewed in Playboy....a magazine that has clearly degraded black and latino women as nothing but sexual objects?

^I see u've conveniently & deliberately left out WHITE women (who vastly out-number ethnic women @ Playboy) in the non-point ur trying to make. Or are you saying that while Playboy has degraded ethnic women (suggesting they are normally classy ladies), it has also actually portrayed white women as themselves, in their true colors - as dick sucking, naked posing, money grabbing hoes? Is this what u r saying? Coz if it is, then ur actually dissing white women & bigging up ethnic women...really contradictory for a mixed-race dude. R u confused? Haha.

On to the point of Tech chatting to Playboy...why the hell not? Any red-blooded verile sexually active male (in other words dude's who getting pussy) loves ALL women period! I dont care if u come from under da sea, if u've got a dick you will respect & relate to Hue's gangsta. He aint never degraded or exploited any of his bunnies...white or black. These girls beg to suck his dick literally just to get in the magazine...he aint force nobody to do shit. It's just how real ladies & gents get down my friend. Plus if u a bitch u a bitch, u dont need anyone's help degrading urself. So once again, what is ur point?

Im pretty sure ive seen Tech sitting in a gas guzzling escalade...

^ What u want him to be a tree hugger or some shit? And walk everywhere? U r really coming across as confused dude.

and his excuse for being fat and overweight (a burden on tax payers of all races) is that its "him". Doesnt he wear diamond studs?

^ So u want George Bush to include fat people in the war on terror now? Especially when part of the problem of fat people are those same mis-used tax dollars used to create chemically engineered artificially grown food, making it cheap, and feeding the people lot's of it. What's ur excuse for being however the hell u r? And no, I aint seen him with diamond studs.

Its weird that Vieria agrees with this...he either didnt read the actual "lyrics" or hes realised he's a house negro.

^ Now u just seem loopy...perhaps a lil' fruity even. Where u smokin' when u typed this shit up? What does Viera have to do with this? Or were u jerking off to a football game as u typed this shit up? Explain urself...

Haha.

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Note to Ethereal.

Putting the "ethereal" spin on things to ridicule the points does not make you look intellectual.

Furthermore, ill direct you to the Patrick Vieria thread in the knowledge section. Pretty much applicable.

[Ethereal]

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