The Republican Party

[3ERA]

First and foremost, fuck the Republican party.
Second, don't be ignorant, cuz that's what they want.
If you don't know how conservatives (republicans) and liberals (democrats) differ in how they want the economy to be run, read this fiirst paragraph (I'm assuming many people don't know, and that's the whole point of this thread). Republicans have the sole purpose of serving the middle class and up. They want the give the rich more breaks because, as they believe, if tax cuts are given to the wealthy business owners, their wealth will trickle down to those of lower classes, the working class and under (as in if they're able to save their money they'll, in turn, pay their employees more)(I just believe that it's a party of rich upper class business owners who would prefer to save their money, by means of tax cuts and everything else they pull). Republicans explicitly say that they want to do away with equal rights laws. At the same time they want to reduce the amount of welfare poverty stricken citizens get, and ultimately get rid of it.
(In short, liberals (left) favor federal aid to those in need, conservatives (right) favor using federal money to fund wars instead)
Studies have shown that the majority people born and raised poor stay poor the rest of their lives and the majority of people born and raised rich stay rich. There is no mothafucking social mobility, no moving up the social ladder, if it's steps are removed. But of course, if we all went to college and lived equally, where are we to find our hard laborers...? Understand that the perpetuation of poverty and our present day caste system has a purpose.
To the people who are currently in power, the lower class, especially minorities, are not a concern. Ask yourself, in the past 5 years (Bush's term in office) was anything passed that would effectively benefit the lower class. But they're still most likely going to win the next election anyways, since it's not important to those who are educated and they've gotten everyone else convinced that the Republican party is their party. They're too powerful and things don't look like they're going to change.
These are crucial times for change. Like the era of the civil rights movements, of Malcolm X, of Huey P. Newton and his Black Panther Party, it's just about that time. But people just don't see it!
The days when the black panther party armed themselves to send the message that they were fed up with the political situation of the nation... those days are long gone... Nobody cares anymore. Malcolm X, today, wouldn't have had a voice, "because niggas don't listen".
If it's better to not care about or to be ignorant of the facts then knowing about shit that's happening around you and educating yourself, then fuck it, our country deserves to be bombed by Osama.
And FYI, in case you didn't already know, Osama Bin Laden was a CIA agent trained by the US government to fight Soviets. =)

[knowitall]

Good post, but a little more research needs to be done (during the times of slaver it was the rep. that were in a way against slavery, while it was the dem. the were for slavery). Just as much as republican. want to maintain the current socio-economic climate so do democrats. They simply do it in different ways. As the saying goes, there's more than one way to skin a cat. It's not one party is worst than the other, its the governement in general. Welfare is both good and bad, and abortion is murder. And when a person says they no longer care, then they already lost the battle. Me, I care. I give a fuck. Are you to radical? Maybe to some but not to all. And when el haj malik el shabazz (calling him malcolm x is disrespectful because that's not his name) people would listen because people listen to others in positions of guidance. All in all, I here what you're saying. Shit here in america, as well as across the globe; things are fucked up. But the peple need somebody who cares and who gives a fuck because everybody from the past who were freedom fighter cared, they gave a fuck. Descent post!

[3ERA]

The points I want to make clear:
-The Republican Party, today, has become the "Big Brother" that aims to perpetuate our caste system.
-Magniminity displayed more than a century ago does not justify the sins committed today.
*Edit: I also think that Democrat and Republican values switched sides. Our CONSERVATIVE southern states do, after all, still oftentimes display their confederate flags... and you don't see too many liberal White Supremists now do you?...
-I forgot to mention in my first post the liberal approach to economy. In it, equality would be a more valued asset than a rich few and the abundant poor. (I, myself, politically stand between socialist (not to be confused with communist) and democrat)
*If you don't know the principles of it, Socialism (far left in political spectrum, extreme liberal) wants the 9-5 worker that would normally get minimum wage to earn the same as Bill Gates (but I feel competition is necessary, so I'm not fully in support of Socialism). Fascism (far right in political spectrum, extreme conservative), on the other hand, (a definition taken straight from dictionary.com) a system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
-Welfare may be bad if it is abused, but to take it away from the deserving because of a few bad seeds is not right, especially if those deserving of it were put in their state by the same government that would/should have supported them.
-There is a point I agree with in the conservative approach and that is with our education system. Our schools are failing. Conservatives push for vouchers to increase competition between schools. I believe that if you have to do better then, chances are, you will do better.
-I, myself, believe that abortion immediately (asap) after conception is equivalent to jacking off into a tissue, but that's another topic. After a few months, however, it does become an issue.
-These days, Blacks and Hispanics are in so many cases, as much as I hate to admit as my blood consists of the blood of both races, ignorant (I place blame on our schools, our society, and OURSELVES). ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT POINTS THAT I'M TRYING TO GET THROUGH TO PEOPLE IS THAT WE NEED TO STEP OUR GAME UP.
-I'm concerned that if we don't fix the problem of the Republicans on top soon, they may stay on top for a long while... and apathy and lack of knowledge does not help our situation...

[hiphopkid]

3ERA, whats ur point? Your anti-american? You like to smoke pot? Your a hippie?

[knowitall]

-The Republican Party, today, has become the "Big Brother" that aims to perpetuate our caste system.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY "BIG BROTHER"? THAT CONCEPT (FROM WHAT I KNOW ABOUT IT) IS NOTHING NEW. ITS BEEN AROUND FOR SOME TIME NOW.

-Magniminity displayed more than a century ago does not justify the sins committed today.

NOBODY IS TRYING TO JUSTIFY ANYTHING. I STATE THE PAST SO THE PRESENT CAN BE BETTER UNDERSTOOD. WHATS GOING ON TODAY IS BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENED YESTERDAY.

*Edit: I also think that Democrat and Republican values switched sides. Our CONSERVATIVE southern states do, after all, still oftentimes display their confederate flags... and you don't see too many liberal White Supremists now do you?...

I SEE A LOT OF WHITE SUPREMISTS FROM EVERY PART OF THIS COUNTRY, NOT JUST THE SOUTH. THE UNITED STATES FLAG REPRESENTS THE SAME THING AS THE CONFEDERATE FLAG. THE VALUES OF THE RULING CLASS HAVE NO CHANGED IN MY EYES REGARDLESS OF WHAT PARTY THEY CLAIM TO BE. THEY BOTH WORK HAND IN HAND.

-I forgot to mention in my first post the liberal approach to economy. In it, equality would be a more valued asset than a rich few and the abundant poor. (I, myself, politically stand between socialist (not to be confused with communist) and democrat)

THIS GOVERNMENT IS NOT A DEMOCRACY, IT'S A REPUBLIC. BOTH DEMOCRAT AND REPUBLICAN IDEOLOGY WILL KEEP THE POOR POOR AND THE RICH RICH. THE ROAD MAY BE DIFFERENT BUT THE END OF THE RACE WILL ALWAYS BE THE SAME.

-Welfare may be bad if it is abused, but to take it away from the deserving because of a few bad seeds is not right, especially if those deserving of it were put in their state by the same government that would/should have supported them.

I'M NOT EVEN LOOKING AT WELFARE BEING BAD DUE TO FACT OF THE SO-CALLED ABUSE. WELFARE IS A TOOL (IN MY MOST HUMBLE OPINION) TO KEEP PEOPLE OPPRESSED, DEPRESSED, AND SUPRESSED AND WHATEVER OTHER PRESS YOU WANT TO USE. NOW, PEOPLE ARE IN NEED OF ASSISTANCE, BUT INSTEAD OF A BAND-AID FOR A SHOT-GUN WOUND, A SOLUTION IS NEEDED. WELFARE IS NOT A SOLUTION. BLACK PEOPLE DON'T DESERVE WELFARE, WE DESERVE MORE. WELFARE KEEPS PEOPLE IN A VERY LOW MIND STATE. THEY DON'T/CAN'T SEE WHAT SUCCESS IS BECAUSE WELFARE IS NOT SUCCESS.

-There is a point I agree with in the conservative approach and that is with our education system. Our schools are failing. Conservatives push for vouchers to increase competition between schools. I believe that if you have to do better then, chances are, you will do better.

VOUCHERS WILL NOT CHANGE ANYTHING. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CONSIDER EDUCATION, BUT SCHOOLS DON'T EDUCATE, THEY TRAIN YOU TO BE WORKERS/LABORERS/SLAVES. IF SCHOOL ISN'T TEACHING YOU HOW TO DO FOR SELF, HOW TO STOP THE FLOW OF DRUGS IN THE COMMUNITY, HOW TO PROTECT ONES SELF AND COMMUNITY, HOW DEVELOP A SOCIO-ECONOMIC PLAN THAT WILL BENEFIT THE PEOPLE, ETC. ETC. THEN F*CK THAT SO-CALLED EDUCATION AND THAT'S NOT EDUCATION FOR ME AND MY PEOPLE.

-I, myself, believe that abortion immediately (asap) after conception is equivalent to jacking off into a tissue, but that's another topic. After a few months, however, it does become an issue.

A ZYGOTE IS LIFE. ITS NOT A SPERM CELL AND ITS NOT AN EGG. ONCE THERE'S A UNION BETWEEN THE TWO, LIFE HAS BEEN CREATED. IT MAY BE IN ITS SIMPLIEST FORM, BUT ITS STILL LIFE. CAN ANYBODY SAY POPULATION CONTROL!

-These days, Blacks and Hispanics are in so many cases, as much as I hate to admit as my blood consists of the blood of both races, ignorant (I place blame on our schools, our society, and OURSELVES). ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT POINTS THAT I'M TRYING TO GET THROUGH TO PEOPLE IS THAT WE NEED TO STEP OUR GAME UP.

HOW DO WE STEP OUR GAME UP? ACCEPTING WHAT THE ENEMY GIVES? IF MY ENEMY IS GIVING IT, IT MUST BE HARMFUL BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE US SUCCESSFUL.

-I'm concerned that if we don't fix the problem of the Republicans on top soon, they may stay on top for a long while... and apathy and lack of knowledge does not help our situation...

IT DOESN'T MATTER REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT (JOHN KERRY DEMOCRAT, GEORGE BUSH REPUBLICAN, THEY'RE BOTH MEMBERS OF THE SAME FRATERNITY WITH THE SAME IDEOLOGY WITH THE SAME AGENDA) OUR GOVERNMENT IS SYSTEM THAT HAS SPEFIC DESIGN. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT A PERSON CALLS HIMSELF. ANY SYSTEM THAT WAS DESIGNED WITH THE INTENT OF HAVING INEQUALITY CAN NOT BE FOR EVERYBODY. WHEN THE CONSTITUTION WAS WRITTEN MY PEOPLE WERE IN SLAVERY SO THEY DIDN'T HAVE MY BEST INTENTIONS IN MIND THEN OR NOW.

[3ERA]

WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY "BIG BROTHER"? THAT CONCEPT (FROM WHAT I KNOW ABOUT IT) IS NOTHING NEW. ITS BEEN AROUND FOR SOME TIME NOW.

Alluding to "1984". Good book. It's what's going on now.

I SEE A LOT OF WHITE SUPREMISTS FROM EVERY PART OF THIS COUNTRY, NOT JUST THE SOUTH. THE UNITED STATES FLAG REPRESENTS THE SAME THING AS THE CONFEDERATE FLAG. THE VALUES OF THE RULING CLASS HAVE NO CHANGED IN MY EYES REGARDLESS OF WHAT PARTY THEY CLAIM TO BE. THEY BOTH WORK HAND IN HAND.

I didn't say white supremists were exclusive to the south. I said white supremists are exclusive to conservatism.

THIS GOVERNMENT IS NOT A DEMOCRACY, IT'S A REPUBLIC. BOTH DEMOCRAT AND REPUBLICAN IDEOLOGY WILL KEEP THE POOR POOR AND THE RICH RICH. THE ROAD MAY BE DIFFERENT BUT THE END OF THE RACE WILL ALWAYS BE THE SAME.
I'M NOT EVEN LOOKING AT WELFARE BEING BAD DUE TO FACT OF THE SO-CALLED ABUSE. WELFARE IS A TOOL (IN MY MOST HUMBLE OPINION) TO KEEP PEOPLE OPPRESSED, DEPRESSED, AND SUPRESSED AND WHATEVER OTHER PRESS YOU WANT TO USE. NOW, PEOPLE ARE IN NEED OF ASSISTANCE, BUT INSTEAD OF A BAND-AID FOR A SHOT-GUN WOUND, A SOLUTION IS NEEDED. WELFARE IS NOT A SOLUTION. BLACK PEOPLE DON'T DESERVE WELFARE, WE DESERVE MORE. WELFARE KEEPS PEOPLE IN A VERY LOW MIND STATE. THEY DON'T/CAN'T SEE WHAT SUCCESS IS BECAUSE WELFARE IS NOT SUCCESS.
VOUCHERS WILL NOT CHANGE ANYTHING. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CONSIDER EDUCATION, BUT SCHOOLS DON'T EDUCATE, THEY TRAIN YOU TO BE WORKERS/LABORERS/SLAVES. IF SCHOOL ISN'T TEACHING YOU HOW TO DO FOR SELF, HOW TO STOP THE FLOW OF DRUGS IN THE COMMUNITY, HOW TO PROTECT ONES SELF AND COMMUNITY, HOW DEVELOP A SOCIO-ECONOMIC PLAN THAT WILL BENEFIT THE PEOPLE, ETC. ETC. THEN F*CK THAT SO-CALLED EDUCATION AND THAT'S NOT EDUCATION FOR ME AND MY PEOPLE.

So basically... you're saying we have no solution...
I consider preschool all the way to college education. If the president and all the other politicians who make 100K a year are slaves then fine, whatever, I'm working my way up to slavery. I'm taking a class on public policy at DePaul University in Chicago and issues like that are exactly what we debate about (it's headed by a black man, in case you were going to say I was under the influence of the enemy or something like that). If blacks and hispanics actually got there then that would make the difference. If you see a better solution than affirmative action, at this point in time when the our people are living in the slums going to inadequetely funded elementary and high schools, to getting them into colleges on the Republican agenda, let me know. (Just in case you don't know, they aren't that much in favor of it). But tell me what is your definition of "success". Let's figure that out first, so that we can talk about the bigger picture.

A ZYGOTE IS LIFE. ITS NOT A SPERM CELL AND ITS NOT AN EGG. ONCE THERE'S A UNION BETWEEN THE TWO, LIFE HAS BEEN CREATED. IT MAY BE IN ITS SIMPLIEST FORM, BUT ITS STILL LIFE. CAN ANYBODY SAY POPULATION CONTROL!

SOMETIMES PEOPLE NEED THAT OPTION. I'll agree that IT IS WRONG IN SOME CASES, but not all.

HOW DO WE STEP OUR GAME UP? ACCEPTING WHAT THE ENEMY GIVES? IF MY ENEMY IS GIVING IT, IT MUST BE HARMFUL BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE US SUCCESSFUL.

We're helping the enemy regardless of whether we accept their help or not.

IT DOESN'T MATTER REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT (JOHN KERRY DEMOCRAT, GEORGE BUSH REPUBLICAN, THEY'RE BOTH MEMBERS OF THE SAME FRATERNITY WITH THE SAME IDEOLOGY WITH THE SAME AGENDA) OUR GOVERNMENT IS SYSTEM THAT HAS SPEFIC DESIGN. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT A PERSON CALLS HIMSELF. ANY SYSTEM THAT WAS DESIGNED WITH THE INTENT OF HAVING INEQUALITY CAN NOT BE FOR EVERYBODY. WHEN THE CONSTITUTION WAS WRITTEN MY PEOPLE WERE IN SLAVERY SO THEY DIDN'T HAVE MY BEST INTENTIONS IN MIND THEN OR NOW.

Again, liberalism wants to level the playing fields. Whether you see federal aid as a means to keep people down is your opinion. Whether you see impoverished blacks and other minorities having a chance to go college being a bad thing is your opinion. If you see equal opportunity laws enacted as a means of promoting inequality, that's your opinion. If you think that every white person you see IS your enemy, that's your opinion. (FYI: Not all whites supported slavery during the time of the slaves. For example, read "Civil Disobedience" by Henry D. Thoreau, a white man)

No, Republicans and Democrats do not have the same intentions. You argue that what Democrats are doing (welfare, etc) keep us down regardless. How do you intend to fix the fact that, after slavery, blacks congregated to the slums? How do you intend to fix the fact that now their children are living in ghettos? Is it to act like there is no poverty problem? Is it to act like we don't need the education which leads to jobs which leads to money which leads to leaving the impoverished neighborhoods thus fixing our economy raising property taxes and promoting better schools and cleaner and safer neighborhoods? Are you saying no federal aid is better? Equal opportunity is wrong? Equality, in general, as a goal a bad thing?

Again, the only reason I think you're against liberalism is because you're paranoid that every white person is against you. I don't see any other reason.

3ERA, whats ur point? Your anti-american? You like to smoke pot? Your a hippie?

No, I'm Pro American. Did you just skip everything I wrote and jump to the America should be bombed by Osama part? Or did you just not comprehend what my point was?

[SUNNY WINTERS]

WANT ME TO FIX YOU SOME SANDWICHES ?

[knowitall]

Quote:
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY "BIG BROTHER"? THAT CONCEPT (FROM WHAT I KNOW ABOUT IT) IS NOTHING NEW. ITS BEEN AROUND FOR SOME TIME NOW.

Alluding to "1984". Good book. It's what's going on now.

I'VE READ MANY BOOKS CONCERNING THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC. I KEEP IT SIMPLE AND MAKE IT REAL. IF YOU STUDY ENOUGH ON THIS TOPIC YOU'LL FIND THIS "BIG BROTHER" IDEA HAS BEEN IN THE WORKINGS FOR CENTURIES. IT'S NOTHING NEW. THE ONLY THING, MORE PEOPLE TALK ABOUT IT. THANKS FOR THE BOOK TITLE THOUGH. WHO'S THE AUTHOR?



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I SEE A LOT OF WHITE SUPREMISTS FROM EVERY PART OF THIS COUNTRY, NOT JUST THE SOUTH. THE UNITED STATES FLAG REPRESENTS THE SAME THING AS THE CONFEDERATE FLAG. THE VALUES OF THE RULING CLASS HAVE NO CHANGED IN MY EYES REGARDLESS OF WHAT PARTY THEY CLAIM TO BE. THEY BOTH WORK HAND IN HAND.

I didn't say white supremists were exclusive to the south. I said white supremists are exclusive to conservatism.

THIS IS WHERE YOU'RE WRONG. WHITE SUPREMISTS ARE NOT EXCLUSIVE TO CONSERVATISM EITHER. PEOPLE GET CAUGHT UP IN THESE TITLES. CONSERVATIVES LIBERALS REPUBLICANS DEMOCRATS WHATEVER. KNOWLEDGE AND WISDOM IS GREAT, BUT IN GETTING KNOWLEDGE AND WISDOM GET UNDERSTANDING.

So basically... you're saying we have no solution...

THIS IS WHY I SAID IN THE ABOVE GET UNDERSTANDING. I NEVER SAID THERE WAS NO SOLUTION. THERE IS A SOLUTION. IF THERE'S A PROBLEM THERE'S A SOLUTION. DO I HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS, HELL NO! QUOTE THAT ONE. DO I HAVE SOME SOLUTIONS, SURE DO.

I consider preschool all the way to college education.

NOW I KNOW WHERE YOU HEAD IS AT. ALL THAT EDUCATION IS STILL NO SOCIO-ECONOMIC CHANGES...SOMETHING GOTTA GIVE. HAVE YOU HEARD OF THE 90/10 RULE? THE GAP BETWEEN THE RICH AND THE POOR ISN'T GETTING NARROW, ITS GETTING WIDER!

If the president and all the other politicians who make 100K a year are slaves then fine, whatever, I'm working my way up to slavery.

NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE OUT I WASN'T TALKING ABOUT. AGAIN, THANKS FOR SHOWING ME WHERE YOUR HEAD IS AT.

I'm taking a class on public policy at DePaul University in Chicago and issues like that are exactly what we debate about (it's headed by a black man, in case you were going to say I was under the influence of the enemy or something like that).

BLACK PHYSICALLY...MENTALLY I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW THE MAN SO I CAN'T COMMENT ON HIM OR HIS CLASS. I WILL SAY THIS, REGARDLESS OF THE PHYNETYPICAL TRAITS OF A PERSON, IF THEY WERE INDOCTRINATED BY THE SLAVE MASTER THEN THEY'RE PASSING THOSE SAME IDEAS ON TO THE NEXT GENERATION.

But tell me what is your definition of "success". Let's figure that out first, so that we can talk about the bigger picture.

SUCCESS IS DIFFERENT FOR DIFFERENT PEOPLE. A UNIVERSAL DEFINITION WOULD BE, ACCOMPLISHING A GOAL ONE HAS SET FOR THEMSELVES. AGAIN, THIS GOAL IS DIFFERENT FOR DIFFERENT PEOPLE.

ONE THING I'M ABOUT IS FREEDOM, JUSTICE, AND EQUALITY. NOW IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THESE THINGS I'M ALL FOR IT. IF YOU HAVE A WAY GETTING THESE THINGS LET ME KNOW. I'M OPEN.

SOMETIMES PEOPLE NEED THAT OPTION. I'll agree that IT IS WRONG IN SOME CASES, but not all.

WHEN IS KILLING A BABY OK?

We're helping the enemy regardless of whether we accept their help or not.

HOW'S THAT?

Again, liberalism wants to level the playing fields. Whether you see federal aid as a means to keep people down is your opinion. Whether you see impoverished blacks and other minorities having a chance to go college being a bad thing is your opinion. If you see equal opportunity laws enacted as a means of promoting inequality, that's your opinion. If you think that every white person you see IS your enemy, that's your opinion. (FYI: Not all whites supported slavery during the time of the slaves. For example, read "Civil Disobedience" by Henry D. Thoreau, a white man)

YOU SOUND LIKE A WELL READ PERSON, HOW ABOUT THIS? ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL....IN ALL THAT KNOWLEDGE AND WISDOM YOU HAVE, GET THE UNDERSTANING. ALL THESE BOOKS YOU READ, GET THE UNDERSTANDING.

I KNOW WHO MY ENEMY IS, DO YOU KNOW YOURS? ANYTIME YOU HAVE TO CREATE A LAW TO EQUAL THE PLAYING FIELD AS YOU SAY, SOMETHING IS WRONG AT THE FOUNDATION. AS LONG AS THE FOUNDATION IS F*CKED UP, THEN ANY AND EVERYTHING THAT'S BUILT UPON THAT FOUNDATION WILL FALL. CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? IF YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THAT, THEN WE CAN REALLY TALK. THE FOUNDATION OF THIS COUNTRY IS WEAK, THE MORE AND MORE PEOPLE TRY AND BUILD OFF OF THAT, THE MORE RUBBLE THERE'S GOING TO BE WHEN IT FALLS, AND IT WILL FALL.

No, Republicans and Democrats do not have the same intentions.

WHAT ARE THERE INTENTIONS? FOR SOMEBODY WHO TALKS ABOUT BIG BROTHER YOU SURE ARE MISSING SOME VITAL POINTS.

You argue that what Democrats are doing (welfare, etc) keep us down regardless. How do you intend to fix the fact that, after slavery, blacks congregated to the slums?

FIRST OF ALL, AFTER SLAVERY BLACK PEOPLE DIDN'T CONGREGATE IN SLUMS. DON'T FORGET ABOUT JIM CROW. NOW IF YOU THINK ALL BLACK PEOPLE WERE POOR, YOUR SADLY MISTAKEN. THERE WERE SOME VERY WEALTHY BLACK FAMILIES THROUGHOUT THE HISTORY OF AMERICA. I KNOW YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT "BLACK WALL STREET" THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE. BLACK COMMUNITIES FLOURISHED, AND WHEN THE OPPRESSOR SAW THIS, THEY BROUGHT ABOUT AN END TO IT.

ALSO, STUDY UP ON GENTRIFICATION! WE LIVE IN SLUMS BUT WHY IS IT THAT WHITE PEOPLE WANT TO MOVE INTO THOSE SLUMS?

How do you intend to fix the fact that now their children are living in ghettos? Is it to act like there is no poverty problem?

STEREOTYPES....EVERY BLACK PERSON ISN'T POOR AND LIVING INTHE GHETTO. NOW IF YOU WANT TO DEAL SPECIFICALLY WITH THAT PORTION OF THE POPULATION WE CAN DO THAT. IF YOU WANT TO DEAL WITH THE MIDDLE CLASS BLACK PEOPLE WE CAN DEAL WITH THAT ALSO, AND IF YOU WANT TO DEAL WITH THE RICH BLACK PEOPLE WE CAN GET DOWN WITH THE GET DOWN. WE'RE ALL NOT POOR (FINANCIALLY THAT IS).

AS FAR AS POVERTY (FINANCIAL POVERTY) THERE'S SOLUTIONS TO THAT PROBLEM, BUT YOU CAN'T MAKE SOMEBODY CHANGE THEIR STATE OF LIVING. YOU CAN SHOW THEM THE WAY, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY'LL FOLLOW.

QUESTION. WHEN YOU GET MONEY WHAT DO YOU DO WITH IT?

Is it to act like we don't need the education which leads to jobs which leads to money which leads to leaving the impoverished neighborhoods thus fixing our economy raising property taxes and promoting better schools and cleaner and safer neighborhoods? Are you saying no federal aid is better? Equal opportunity is wrong? Equality, in general, as a goal a bad thing?

AGAIN, YOU MISUNDERSTAND. I'M ALL FOR EDUCATION, BUT THE EDUCATION WE NEED ISN'T SOLELY LOCATED IN THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM INCLUDING COLLEGE. NOW THEY DO PLAY A ROLE BUT ALL THAT SCHOOLING ISN'T TEACHING ANYBODY HOW TO GET POOR PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR ECONOMIC SITUATION. THAT EDUCATION ISN'T TEACHING US (BLACK PEOPLE) HOW TO TRUST ONE ANOTHER. THAT EDUCATION ISN'T TEACHING US TO BE MEN AND WOMEN.

FEDERAL AID, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH FEDERAL AID, CLEAN AND SAFE NEIGBORHOODS, EQUAL OPPORTUNITY, AND EQUALITY IN GENERAL. THERE EDUCATION "SYSTEM" ISN'T DOING IT THOUGH. IF ANYTHING IT DOES THE OPPOSITE. YOU SHOULD LOOK A LITTLE CLOSER, SCRATCH BENEATH THE SURFACE. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE EDUCATION SYSTEM, THAT'S RIGHT UP MY ALLEY. ALL THESE YEARS, ALL THOSE COLLEGE GRADUATES AND STILL, BLACK PEOPLE ARE STILL RUBBING A NICKLE AGAINST A PIECE OF LINT TRYING TO MAINTAIN FOOD CLOTHING AND SHELTER.

Again, the only reason I think you're against liberalism is because you're paranoid that every white person is against you. I don't see any other reason.

YOUR THOUGHTS ARE WRONG. PARANOID, NOT ME. EVERY WHITE PERSON ISN'T AGAINST ME. AND OF COURSE YOU DON'T SEE ANY OTHER REASON, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER TOPIC. THERE'S BEEN NUMEROUS LIBERALS IN OFFICE JUST AS THERE'S BEEN NUMEROUS CONSERVATIVES AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN, STILL WE STRUGGLE!

No, I'm Pro American. Did you just skip everything I wrote and jump to the America should be bombed by Osama part? Or did you just not comprehend what my point was?

BUT YOU'RE NOT AMERICAN (I ACTUALLY MAY BE WRONG, BUT I'M PLAYING THE NUMBERS GAME RIGHT NOW). I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH LAW YOU STUDY OR KNOW, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE YOU'RE NOT AMERICAN. A UNITED STATES CITIZEN YES BUT NOT AMERICAN.

QUESTION. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES, USA, US, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND AMERICA?

SINCE YOU THROUGH A BOOK OUT THERE FOR ME, I'LL THROW ONE BACK AT YOU. GET YOU SOME LAW DICTIONARIES AND FIND OUT WHAT THE ABOVE DEFINITIONS ARE. YOU'LL BE SUPRISED!

[3ERA]

I'VE READ MANY BOOKS CONCERNING THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC. I KEEP IT SIMPLE AND MAKE IT REAL. IF YOU STUDY ENOUGH ON THIS TOPIC YOU'LL FIND THIS "BIG BROTHER" IDEA HAS BEEN IN THE WORKINGS FOR CENTURIES. IT'S NOTHING NEW. THE ONLY THING, MORE PEOPLE TALK ABOUT IT. THANKS FOR THE BOOK TITLE THOUGH. WHO'S THE AUTHOR?

George Orwell

NOW I KNOW WHERE YOU HEAD IS AT. ALL THAT EDUCATION IS STILL NO SOCIO-ECONOMIC CHANGES...SOMETHING GOTTA GIVE. HAVE YOU HEARD OF THE 90/10 RULE? THE GAP BETWEEN THE RICH AND THE POOR ISN'T GETTING NARROW, ITS GETTING WIDER!
NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE OUT I WASN'T TALKING ABOUT. AGAIN, THANKS FOR SHOWING ME WHERE YOUR HEAD IS AT.
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FEDERAL AID, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH FEDERAL AID, CLEAN AND SAFE NEIGBORHOODS, EQUAL OPPORTUNITY, AND EQUALITY IN GENERAL. THERE EDUCATION "SYSTEM" ISN'T DOING IT THOUGH. IF ANYTHING IT DOES THE OPPOSITE. YOU SHOULD LOOK A LITTLE CLOSER, SCRATCH BENEATH THE SURFACE. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE EDUCATION SYSTEM, THAT'S RIGHT UP MY ALLEY. ALL THESE YEARS, ALL THOSE COLLEGE GRADUATES AND STILL, BLACK PEOPLE ARE STILL RUBBING A NICKLE AGAINST A PIECE OF LINT TRYING TO MAINTAIN FOOD CLOTHING AND SHELTER.

I'll admit that maybe I may have been overconfident in what the education system gives us. But, for the most part, better education leads to higher income.
But you speak of us as slaves... "Life is all about cream"... and, essentially, the basic purpose for schools is to train us for "the real world", for jobs... Education serves no point past the role of improving humankind my means of improving the economy...

BLACK PHYSICALLY...MENTALLY I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW THE MAN SO I CAN'T COMMENT ON HIM OR HIS CLASS. I WILL SAY THIS, REGARDLESS OF THE PHYNETYPICAL TRAITS OF A PERSON, IF THEY WERE INDOCTRINATED BY THE SLAVE MASTER THEN THEY'RE PASSING THOSE SAME IDEAS ON TO THE NEXT GENERATION.

Don't get me started...

SUCCESS IS DIFFERENT FOR DIFFERENT PEOPLE. A UNIVERSAL DEFINITION WOULD BE, ACCOMPLISHING A GOAL ONE HAS SET FOR THEMSELVES. AGAIN, THIS GOAL IS DIFFERENT FOR DIFFERENT PEOPLE.

ONE THING I'M ABOUT IS FREEDOM, JUSTICE, AND EQUALITY. NOW IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THESE THINGS I'M ALL FOR IT. IF YOU HAVE A WAY GETTING THESE THINGS LET ME KNOW. I'M OPEN.

On the whole, the goal of most people is money.
I believe that everything every person does is motivated by selfish intentions. Selfishness is human nature. Freedom(as in freedom to pursue happiness), Justice, and Equality, at least I believe, will never be accomplished unless by an established government imposing laws does it for us (Otherwise we have a system of survival of the fittest and every man for himself, that's the way it is). The irony.
If you mean absolute freedom you mean anarchy and, if that's the case, justice and equality aren't guaranteed to exist alongside.

WHAT ARE THERE INTENTIONS? FOR SOMEBODY WHO TALKS ABOUT BIG BROTHER YOU SURE ARE MISSING SOME VITAL POINTS.

Oh the irony... But I feel more justice, "freedom", and equality would be less likely with their party...

WHEN IS KILLING A BABY OK?

When the baby's birth results in the death of it's mother. When it's more humane to kill it then to let it suffer. I can't think of anymore right now. But like I said, IT IS WRONG SOMETIMES, not all

HOW'S THAT?

By being US citizens

I KNOW WHO MY ENEMY IS, DO YOU KNOW YOURS? ANYTIME YOU HAVE TO CREATE A LAW TO EQUAL THE PLAYING FIELD AS YOU SAY, SOMETHING IS WRONG AT THE FOUNDATION. AS LONG AS THE FOUNDATION IS F*CKED UP, THEN ANY AND EVERYTHING THAT'S BUILT UPON THAT FOUNDATION WILL FALL. CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? IF YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THAT, THEN WE CAN REALLY TALK. THE FOUNDATION OF THIS COUNTRY IS WEAK, THE MORE AND MORE PEOPLE TRY AND BUILD OFF OF THAT, THE MORE RUBBLE THERE'S GOING TO BE WHEN IT FALLS, AND IT WILL FALL.

How do we fix the foundation?

NOW IF YOU THINK ALL BLACK PEOPLE WERE POOR, YOUR SADLY MISTAKEN.

Well, living in my neighborhood, I'm surprised there are wealthy minorities.

AS FAR AS POVERTY (FINANCIAL POVERTY) THERE'S SOLUTIONS TO THAT PROBLEM, BUT YOU CAN'T MAKE SOMEBODY CHANGE THEIR STATE OF LIVING. YOU CAN SHOW THEM THE WAY, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY'LL FOLLOW.

I agree

QUESTION. WHEN YOU GET MONEY WHAT DO YOU DO WITH IT?

Question. What's the point of life?

I'M ALL FOR EDUCATION, BUT THE EDUCATION WE NEED ISN'T SOLELY LOCATED IN THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM INCLUDING COLLEGE. NOW THEY DO PLAY A ROLE BUT ALL THAT SCHOOLING ISN'T TEACHING ANYBODY HOW TO GET POOR PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR ECONOMIC SITUATION. THAT EDUCATION ISN'T TEACHING US (BLACK PEOPLE) HOW TO TRUST ONE ANOTHER. THAT EDUCATION ISN'T TEACHING US TO BE MEN AND WOMEN.

I agree

THERE'S BEEN NUMEROUS LIBERALS IN OFFICE JUST AS THERE'S BEEN NUMEROUS CONSERVATIVES AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN, STILL WE STRUGGLE!

Me constantly saying that liberals are at least trying (as compared to the conservatives who do nothing) seems redundant. So since we're on other topics anyways let's just move on, this argument is going nowhere.

BUT YOU'RE NOT AMERICAN (I ACTUALLY MAY BE WRONG, BUT I'M PLAYING THE NUMBERS GAME RIGHT NOW). I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH LAW YOU STUDY OR KNOW, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE YOU'RE NOT AMERICAN. A UNITED STATES CITIZEN YES BUT NOT AMERICAN.

My mixed heritage also includes Native American. So, I pretty much am American.
But I don't have a Law dictionary. What are the differences according to it?

[knowitall]

I'll admit that maybe I may have been overconfident in what the education system gives us. But, for the most part, better education leads to higher income.
But you speak of us as slaves... "Life is all about cream"... and, essentially, the basic purpose for schools is to train us for "the real world", for jobs... Education serves no point past the role of improving humankind my means of improving the economy...

It's not better education, its proper education. There's a difference. I don't need to go to school to know something. Whatever you go to school for, I can pretty much go to the library and learn the same things that somebody went to school for. The knowledge is the same, but going to the library pretty much is free. Proper Education Always Corrects Errors!

Jesus said, "it's easier for a camel to walk through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to reach heaven." Life isn't all about cream. I'm not trying to be funny with this, but you have a lot to learn about what's really going on. It's the ignorant that chase money, those who are in the know aquire resources. Bush isn't going to war over money but for oil. Having control over oil means you have control over a large segment of the population. Chattel slavery, money came because the slave master had the greatest of all resources, the blackman woman and child. Paper money changes in value, it can go up and down. In one country it has worth, but in others its wothless. Everybody needs water, so who ever controls the water source will control the people.

On the whole, the goal of most people is money.
I believe that everything every person does is motivated by selfish intentions. Selfishness is human nature. Freedom(as in freedom to pursue happiness), Justice, and Equality, at least I believe, will never be accomplished unless by an established government imposing laws does it for us (Otherwise we have a system of survival of the fittest and every man for himself, that's the way it is). The irony.
If you mean absolute freedom you mean anarchy and, if that's the case, justice and equality aren't guaranteed to exist alongside.

The goal for most people isn't money, it's a certain quality of life. Money is only a means to getting something else. I don't know anybody who gets money and just keeps money. They take that money to get other things. Quality of life.

Every person isn't motivated by selfish intentions. I'm not motivated by selfish intentions. Like I said before, I'm about FREEDOM JUSTICE and EQUALITY! Selfishness isn't human nature.

It's not a governement that establishes freedom justice or equality, its the people. It's each individual. This government damn sure hasn't provided freedom justice or equality....not for me and my people at least. Absolute freedom doesn't mean anarchy. There's a thread talking about freedom, maybe you should add on to it. With freedom justice is sure to come, and when justice exist, the next thing in line is equality. Simple science.

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WHAT ARE THERE INTENTIONS? FOR SOMEBODY WHO TALKS ABOUT BIG BROTHER YOU SURE ARE MISSING SOME VITAL POINTS.

Oh the irony... But I feel more justice, "freedom", and equality would be less likely with their party...

That's peace if that's what you think, but is it something you "know"? What I know is, both parties are evil, and I don't vote (advocate) for evil.

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WHEN IS KILLING A BABY OK?

When the baby's birth results in the death of it's mother. When it's more humane to kill it then to let it suffer. I can't think of anymore right now. But like I said, IT IS WRONG SOMETIMES, not all

Coming from a person who thinks it's all about the "cream" I'm not sure if you understand the power of children. Children are the future, they're the ones who will bring about a change, they're the greatest resources. I'll give my life in heartbeat to save the life of a child, and a real woman (not a female, there's a difference) will gladly give her life to preserve her child.

How do we fix the foundation?

My foundation doesn't need to be fixed. If you're referring to this government, how I see it, it can't be fixed. A new government must be established. There's to much much blood that's been shed...

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NOW IF YOU THINK ALL BLACK PEOPLE WERE POOR, YOUR SADLY MISTAKEN.

Well, living in my neighborhood, I'm surprised there are wealthy minorities.

Don't let outer appearances fool you. Just because somebody lives in the ghetto doesn't automatically make them poor.

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QUESTION. WHEN YOU GET MONEY WHAT DO YOU DO WITH IT?

Question. What's the point of life?

This is a relative question, but the most universal answer I can give is experience. Life is about experience.

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THERE'S BEEN NUMEROUS LIBERALS IN OFFICE JUST AS THERE'S BEEN NUMEROUS CONSERVATIVES AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN, STILL WE STRUGGLE!

Me constantly saying that liberals are at least trying (as compared to the conservatives who do nothing) seems redundant. So since we're on other topics anyways let's just move on, this argument is going nowhere.

This is purely opinion when you say conservatives do nothing.

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BUT YOU'RE NOT AMERICAN (I ACTUALLY MAY BE WRONG, BUT I'M PLAYING THE NUMBERS GAME RIGHT NOW). I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH LAW YOU STUDY OR KNOW, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE YOU'RE NOT AMERICAN. A UNITED STATES CITIZEN YES BUT NOT AMERICAN.

My mixed heritage also includes Native American. So, I pretty much am American.
But I don't have a Law dictionary. What are the differences according to it?

I think you might want to study you heritage a little more. Those people who are called native americans, never ever called themselves native americans. That's a name given to them by those who conquered them. The so-called native americans don't make you american, because that land wasn't called america by them. Know thy self!

I ask the question of the names of the country because each has a different meaning. An american has different freedoms than a U.S citizen. Since you're going to school, go utilize the library and research and study. Seek and find the truth.

The truth...just to let you know I'm not anti-american. This is my country just as much as it's the presidents all the way down to the homeless. I'm for freedom justice and equality for all people, not just black people. I'm not anti-white nor pro-black, I'm pro-righeouss and anti-devilisment. I study, research, and observe this governement/land very closely. I observe people and their conditions and strive for a greater understanding.

I'm not here to say that you're right or wrong (except for an obvious error) but I do want you to think. There's 360 degrees in a circle, look at life from all angles not just one. Remember Proper Eduaction Always Corrects Errors!

[3ERA]

Life isn't all about cream. I'm not trying to be funny with this, but you have a lot to learn about what's really going on. It's the ignorant that chase money, those who are in the know aquire resources. Bush isn't going to war over money but for oil. Having control over oil means you have control over a large segment of the population. Chattel slavery, money came because the slave master had the greatest of all resources, the blackman woman and child. Paper money changes in value, it can go up and down. In one country it has worth, but in others its wothless. Everybody needs water, so who ever controls the water source will control the people.!

Metaphorically speaking, I believe that money is that water.
I realize that I might seem cynical in saying that life's all about money so I'll show you how I see it. I'll tell you why I put so much emphasis on money. I still believe everything every person does is selfishly motivated but I'll save that for another thread (I'll get to that when I'm up for talking about it). We, as a people, early on in society have learned to cooperate with eachother with the aims of furthering our society and our individual goals. Our cooperation lead to the advancement of mankind. From this cooperation came the rise of money. Money meant security, shelter, food, and, ultimately, it meant power. With the exchange of money, materialized power, cooperation was ensured (today it is still money that ensures our cooperation). I'm sure you've heard sayings such as "money is power", "absolute power corrupts absolutely", "money is the root of all evil", "money makes the world go round". If you connect the dots using these sayings you'll see that they seem to suggest that money isn't all that great. But money is also cooperation and the betterment of mankind. Money means order and law (possession is, after all, nine-tenths of the law). Order and law are essential to "freedom", justice, and equality. But I do understand that the same order and law could be used to prevent freedom, and cause injustice and inequality.
The slave master wouldn't have been able to control the slave had he not had the power.

With freedom justice is sure to come, and when justice exist, the next thing in line is equality.

In absolute freedom, laws would not exist. If there are no guidelines to how society is supposed to act, we get rapists, murderers, and other wouldbe criminals with the ability to do whatever they please without consequence. Absolute freedom would mean freedom to do whatever you wanted regardless of if what we wanted imposed on the freedoms of others.

My foundation doesn't need to be fixed. If you're referring to this government, how I see it, it can't be fixed. A new government must be established. There's to much much blood that's been shed...

I see the foundation being you and me and all the citizens of this country.

A new government established?...
Believe me, if the opportunity for a revolution showed itself to me, I would make sure to do everything in my capacity to ensure its success. But change is highly unlikely in this day and age. As I said in my first post, the days of the civil rights movements and the black power movement have long gone. Look at this thread. It's a debate between two people and a "you're anti american" comment. Nobody besides us cares. 2 people alone can't change the government so change is not a reality. In my first post (I think the second line), I say not to be ignorant. Money is power but so is knowledge which is why the American slave was not allowed to read or learn. The knowledge people would get would lead to the realization of the sins of our government. And possibly, after enough people know and care, after 2 grains of sand becomes a desert storm, we'll be powerful enough to make that change. But at this point in time with our society the way it is, no one cares. I have more friends who'd rather smoke weed or cause ruckus than actually give a shit about their situation. Change will not occur as fast as you and I would like, so I, myself, have settled with what you may see as an evil, but in my eyes the much lesser evil, of the democratic party. Until we can change our government, which seems to not be any time soon, all I can do is preach to you why I believe the liberal desire for change is better than the conservative agenda of oppression and how those liberal ideas may actually gradually lead to that change.
Believe me when I say that for the longest time I've wanted change and even occasionally contemplated a revolution (as in how to go about in starting one and the likeliness of success)(I honestly did this. In fact for a time I supported anarchy before I actually thought long and hard of its consequences).
You claim that the blackman is god... but how is that so if we can't even work together and banish the devil? How is it that the gods live in the slums and do the biddings of the devil? And the devil I speak of is not only the white oppressor (which I want to make clear is not all whites), but is also the sins of our society, and the apathy and/or ignorance that fuels this devil. This devil is the what keeps us down... and so this devil, in so many cases, consists of us too.

[knowitall]

We, as a people, early on in society have learned to cooperate with eachother with the aims of furthering our society and our individual goals.

I don't know how early you go back, but from what I've come to understand, civilization didn't start nor develop out of individual goals. It was collective. Social means a society of men or group of men for one common cause. Eventually that one common cause turned into individualism.

Our cooperation lead to the advancement of mankind. From this cooperation came the rise of money. Money meant security, shelter, food, and, ultimately, it meant power.

I really don't want to break down every tid-bit of info you're presenting but this one I will speak on. Money doesn't equate to security, shelter, food, or power. Can it? Yes, but not always. What is the most valuable currency in the world today? Was it the same 50, 100, 1000, etc. years ago? Land offers security. From the land you can have food, clothing, and shelter without having any money.

Money means order and law (possession is, after all, nine-tenths of the law). Order and law are essential to "freedom", justice, and equality. But I do understand that the same order and law could be used to prevent freedom, and cause injustice and inequality.

Before money there was law and order. Money is not essential to freedom, justice, or equality. Law, order, freedom, justice, and equality all come from man, not money.

The slave master wouldn't have been able to control the slave had he not had the power.

Money wasn't the power to control the slave.

In absolute freedom, laws would not exist. If there are no guidelines to how society is supposed to act, we get rapists, murderers, and other wouldbe criminals with the ability to do whatever they please without consequence. Absolute freedom would mean freedom to do whatever you wanted regardless of if what we wanted imposed on the freedoms of others.

In absolute freedom laws do exist. Freedom doesn't mean there's no guidelines. How society is supposed to act sounds like moral values verses freedom. Freedom or the lack of freedom doesn't produce rapists and murders, the social climate does. Why does anybody need to steal if they already have?

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My foundation doesn't need to be fixed. If you're referring to this government, how I see it, it can't be fixed. A new government must be established. There's to much much blood that's been shed...

I see the foundation being you and me and all the citizens of this country.

Ok, I can run with this. The above needs to be corrected, because everybody isn't where I'm at and I'm not where everybody else is at. Before I can walk hand in hand with any group of people, I first must be able to walk with and trust my brother/sister. Money has no bearing on that what so ever.

A new government established?...

Yes!

Believe me, if the opportunity for a revolution showed itself to me, I would make sure to do everything in my capacity to ensure its success.

Maybe your revolution is different from mine (although I'm not a revolutionist perse) but the ideology you hold with money goes against some of my principles. We'd bump heads. Don't get me wrong, I'm for having money and work and my money works for me to aquire more money, but it's only out of understanding.

But change is highly unlikely in this day and age.

Change occurs daily.

As I said in my first post, the days of the civil rights movements and the black power movement have long gone. Look at this thread. It's a debate between two people and a "you're anti american" comment. Nobody besides us cares. 2 people alone can't change the government so change is not a reality.

The goverment has went through many of changes and continues to change. It may not be how you or I want it to change but it changes. I'm not anti-american, I'm anti-devilishment (telling lies stealing and how to master the original man)

Money is power but so is knowledge which is why the American slave was not allowed to read or learn.

Money is not power, its a tool. Knowledge also isn't power. Knowledge is knowledge and power is power. Having knowledge is fundamental to having power, but power isn't fundamental to having knowledge.

The knowledge people would get would lead to the realization of the sins of our government. And possibly, after enough people know and care, after 2 grains of sand becomes a desert storm, we'll be powerful enough to make that change.

People don't have power because they give their power away. That's why black people as a whole are not successful. We keep giving our power away.

But at this point in time with our society the way it is, no one cares. I have more friends who'd rather smoke weed or cause ruckus than actually give a shit about their situation. Change will not occur as fast as you and I would like, so I, myself, have settled with what you may see as an evil, but in my eyes the much lesser evil, of the democratic party. Until we can change our government, which seems to not be any time soon, all I can do is preach to you why I believe the liberal desire for change is better than the conservative agenda of oppression and how those liberal ideas may actually gradually lead to that change.

People care. Alot of people care. The mind travels much faster than the physical. I see change happening. Evil is evil and I don't vote for evil.

But I don't regret it because I've opened your eyes to seeing that we are a minority within the minority class. We're the last of a dying breed.

The original people are the majority. I'm part of the majority, but the people think they're different from each other so the impact or power isn't as great as if we were one.

You claim that the blackman is god... but how is that so if we can't even work together and banish the devil?

Who can't work together? I work with a lot of different groups of people. Now you talk about banishing the devil (you mean white people right?), I don't know exactly what you mean by banish. Do you mean to kill all devils physically? I concerned about taking the devil off the mental plane of the people, then the physical plane of existence will reflect a more morally upright state of living.

How is it that the gods live in the slums and do the biddings of the devil?

I don't live in the slums. You worldly view needs to be broadened. God is in basically every facet of life. We're lawyers, doctors, business owners, manufacturers, police, military, administration, education, etc. etc. God doesn't do the bidding of the devil.

And the devil I speak of is not only the white oppressor (which I want to make clear is not all whites), but is also the sins of our society, and the apathy and/or ignorance that fuels this devil. This devil is the what keeps us down... and so this devil, in so many cases, consists of us too.

I'm not devil nor do I do devilishment. None of my brothers are devils nor do the do devilishment. We are righteouss people. I don't know your perception of "god" but never have we claimed to be holy people. Holy people are holy because they seperate themselves from everyday life. The gods live right here amongst the people. We're not untouchable beings. We're true and living. Since you say the devil is society, are you sure you want to banish all the devils? That means you might be one those devils, or a loved one. Take the devil off your mental plane then help the next person out, but first you have to be right (morally).

[3ERA]

I don't know how early you go back, but from what I've come to understand, civilization didn't start nor develop out of individual goals. It was collective. Social means a society of men or group of men for one common cause. Eventually that one common cause turned into individualism.
I really don't want to break down every tid-bit of info you're presenting but this one I will speak on. Money doesn't equate to security, shelter, food, or power. Can it? Yes, but not always. What is the most valuable currency in the world today? Was it the same 50, 100, 1000, etc. years ago? Land offers security. From the land you can have food, clothing, and shelter without having any money.
Before money there was law and order. Money is not essential to freedom, justice, or equality. Law, order, freedom, justice, and equality all come from man, not money.
Money wasn't the power to control the slave.

Does the wolf think about the pack before he does himself? A female of the pack may defend HER young but it's not ready to lose her life for any wolf besides itself.
Say that humans and wolves are not the same, fine. But the fact of the matter is that it is only ethics, invented by man long after the days of the first, that would make us and wolves different in terms of how we act. And ethics doesn't necessarily keep us from being selfish anyway.
Of course, law, order, freedom, and justice come from man. And man made a system to ensure these. We put value on currency as a way to place value on services and goods. It's become the scale we use to measure the value of everything else. That's how important it's become. Without it we'd have individuals working for themselves, instead of cooperation. Maybe I don't need to work for the next man, or maybe we don't to "better" mankind in this manner are things you may say. And I'll agree. But as a people, if we want freedom, justice, equality, etc, we need law and order, and law and order are ensured with our economy. Cooperation today is economically based or like I said earlier it's based on furthering our individualistic goals.
To further what I've been talking about in terms of selfishness look up psychological terms such as the Id, the Ego, and the Superego. Also read up on psychological egoism.
As I see it, people are selfish and money is materialized selfishness. So I see that is actually selfishness that is the root of all evil. It is an evil from which all other evils stem. Think critically about that.
I don't speak about how I wish it was, I speak of how it actually is. You can not fix a problem by ignoring it.

In absolute freedom laws do exist. Freedom doesn't mean there's no guidelines. How society is supposed to act sounds like moral values verses freedom. Freedom or the lack of freedom doesn't produce rapists and murders, the social climate does. Why does anybody need to steal if they already have?

There's a difference between freedom and prosperity

Maybe your revolution is different from mine (although I'm not a revolutionist perse) but the ideology you hold with money goes against some of my principles. We'd bump heads. Don't get me wrong, I'm for having money and work and my money works for me to aquire more money, but it's only out of understanding.

My revolution is a change in any shape, size, or form.
I don't say that I care this much about money. I'm saying society values money and that's the way it is regardless. I'm saying money was or at least has become necessary for our daily lives. Without the economy the way it is we wouldn't have as much cooperation. And yes, I do see the evils money can do on our society. And as I said before, I see that order and law can still produce injustice. And in those cases, if the injustice is caused by the law and "order" itself, then the only way those injustices can be conquered is by the people, be it by the governed or the governing, the powerful or the powerless. (But reversely, it is with restrictions that freedom, justice, and equality are possible)

Money is not power, its a tool.

What else is new?

Knowledge also isn't power. Knowledge is knowledge and power is power. Having knowledge is fundamental to having power, but power isn't fundamental to having knowledge.

You know what I mean...

People care. Alot of people care. The mind travels much faster than the physical. I see change happening. Evil is evil and I don't vote for evil.

Then what exactly is being done outside of voting for what you call an evil?

The original people are the majority.

Again you know what I mean... You say to-may-toe, I say to-mah-toe.

Now you talk about banishing the devil (you mean white people right?), I don't know exactly what you mean by banish. Do you mean to kill all devils physically? I concerned about taking the devil off the mental plane of the people, then the physical plane of existence will reflect a more morally upright state of living.

I mean all sinners against society. The drug dealers, the murderers, the rapists, the oppressors are all the devil. And metaphorically, the devil I speak of is also the deterioration of our society. So, no I don't mean physically kill them, I mean to put an end to those evils.

I don't live in the slums. You worldly view needs to be broadened. God is in basically every facet of life. We're lawyers, doctors, business owners, manufacturers, police, military, administration, education, etc. etc. God doesn't do the bidding of the devil.

I never said ALL blacks and other MINORITIES are poor. I said that many are... But that was not even the point...

That means you might be one those devils, or a loved one. Take the devil off your mental plane then help the next person out, but first you have to be right (morally).

I can not be the devil as I am doing what I can, how I feel will produce results, to better society. The devil wouldn't do that...
And helping the next person out is what I've been trying to do...

[knowitall]

We put value on currency as a way to place value on services and goods.

Some services you can't put a price tag on. There's some things in this world that's priceless. And the value you put on currency isn't the same as the next person.

It's become the scale we use to measure the value of everything else.

It's the scale that "you" use to measure everything else, but not everybody.

But as a people, if we want freedom, justice, equality, etc, we need law and order, and law and order are ensured with our economy.

Freedom, justice, and equality is not based upon economy, and there already is law and order. Maybe you just don't recognize it. Maybe you have the "power" but you give your "power" away.

To further what I've been talking about in terms of selfishness look up psychological terms such as the Id, the Ego, and the Superego. Also read up on psychological egoism.

Already know about that stuff. Now maybe you should do some more research and find out where these terms and ideas came from. Weigh and judge it against the western ideology and see how "they" really know and understand about these ideas.

There's this kung-fu movie, the main character knows kung fu but he's looking for a teacher. Before he accepts a teacher he always fights him to see if his skills are better. Why would I go to somebody who isn't a master to learn something (and a college degree isn't my qualification of what a master is, it's there knowledge and understanding)? I go to the root!

I don't speak about how I wish it was, I speak of how it actually is. You can not fix a problem by ignoring it.

Reading all that I've read from you, it seems to me as if you're adding on to the problem and ignoring it. You're for evil and you try and justify it by saying well its the lesser of the two....its still evil regardless of how you want to quantify it.

There's a difference between freedom and prosperity

Ok, it sounds like you mixing the two up.

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Knowledge also isn't power. Knowledge is knowledge and power is power. Having knowledge is fundamental to having power, but power isn't fundamental to having knowledge.

You know what I mean...

I do know what you mean, and what you meant was incorrect. I know the cliche very well, and it's wrong.

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People care. Alot of people care. The mind travels much faster than the physical. I see change happening. Evil is evil and I don't vote for evil.

Then what exactly is being done outside of voting for what you call an evil?

I show people options. Give them choices.


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The original people are the majority.

Again you know what I mean... You say to-may-toe, I say to-mah-toe.

The proper spelling of the word is, tomato and phonetically it is pronounced te-may-toe.

Say what you mean and mean what you say.


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Now you talk about banishing the devil (you mean white people right?), I don't know exactly what you mean by banish. Do you mean to kill all devils physically? I concerned about taking the devil off the mental plane of the people, then the physical plane of existence will reflect a more morally upright state of living.

I mean all sinners against society. The drug dealers, the murderers, the rapists, the oppressors are all the devil. And metaphorically, the devil I speak of is also the deterioration of our society. So, no I don't mean physically kill them, I mean to put an end to those evils.

What is a sinner? Which drug dealer are you talking about (there's alot)? What type of murderers? What you say is deterioration in society I may say its progress. That's relative. Your moral and ethical values may be different from what mine are. Since you're not talking about the physical then you're talking about the mental. Have you mentally killed the devil within you?

I can not be the devil as I am doing what I can, how I feel will produce results, to better society. The devil wouldn't do that...
And helping the next person out is what I've been trying to do...

What is a devil to you? Oh yeah, the devil will help people.

[hiphopkid]

guys i think you are spending too much time talking about politics, polictics will always be crooked no matter how you look at it.

[Yannick]

OOOOOOH SHIT......

hiphopkid is right.

[Jemini]

I cant wait for the day when we will all understand about the govt. greed which makes us all hate each other not beacuse of the positions were in but beacuse of the color of our skin...

[SUNNY WINTERS]

HOW DO WE STEP OUR GAME UP?

FIRST BY HUMBLING OURSELVES TOWARDS ONE ANOTHER -


SECOND, GET RID OF THE FEAR THAT RELIGION AND HOLLYWOOD THE MAGICIAN PUT IN OUR MINDS SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A CLEARER VIEW OF WHAT AND WHO WE ARE


WE HOLD TO MUCH BULLSHIT AGAINST ONE ANOTHER FOR BULLSHIT REASONS AND ALWAYS WANNA WAR WITH EACH OTHER OVER A FEW WORDS MISINTERPETED -



IN OTHER WORDS EVERYONE WANNA BE A CHIEF - AND WE ARE TOO ARROGANT TO RECOGNIZE A REAL CHIEF WHEN HE IS PRESESENT



WE ARE TOO INDIVIDUALIZED - EACH ONE OF US HAS OUR OWN RELIGION AND WE FEEL THAT EVERYONE ELSE IS WRONG IF THEY DON'T BELIEVE THINGS LIKE WE DO AND BELIEVE - AND THIS WAS DEMONSTRATED IN THIS THREAD -


DON'T CONFUSE THIS WITH THE WARS THAT GO ON BETWEEN THE DUMB DEAF AND BLIND AND THOSE WITH THE LIGHT - NO ONE LIKES TO BE WAKEN UP OUT OF THEIR SLEEP




I FEEL THAT NONE OF US SHOULD LABEL OURSELVES REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT OR WHATEVER TITLE THESE DEMONS HAVE FOR THEMSELVES - LEAVE THAT SHIT FOR THEM - WHEN AMERICA GETS AT LEAST AN ASIAN PRESIDENT THEN MABY I'LL CHANGE MY MIND ABOUT THAT

[SUNNY WINTERS]

(it's headed by a black man, in case you were going to say I was under the influence of the enemy or something like that).

THERE ARE DIFFERENCES IN ALL OF OUR APPROACHES TO GET THINGS RIGHT
OR HOW WE SEE IT AS RIGHT -

SOME BELIEVE THAT IF WE GET BLACK PEOPLE INTO PILE OF TRICKS AKA POLITICS AND COLLEGES AND GOLF COARSES THAT THINGS WILL EVENTUALLY BE BETTER FOR US -


SOME BELIEVE THAT THE WHOLE SYSTEM NEEDS TO BE UPROOTED


THE ELDERS KNOW THAT THINGS TAKE TIME AND THEY DO WHATS NECESSARY FOR THE TIME TO GET WHERE THEY NEED TO BE IN THE LONG RUN -


CHANGING THE SCHOOL SYSTEMS METHODS OF TEACHING OUR CHILDREN WILL NOT WORK TO BETTER OUR EDUCATION IF THE SAME PEOPLE WHO HATE US ARE TEACHING OUR CHILDREN -


EVERYONE OF US NEED TO PULL OUR CHILDREN OUT OF THESE INSTITUTIONS AND BUILD A COMMUNITY WHERE WE CAN EDUCATE OUR OWN CHILDREN ON HOW TO RUN AND MAINTAIN THE NEW SYSTEM THAT IS ON THE RISE -

BUT THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN - BECAUSE WE ARE ALL TOO BUSY TRYING TO GET PAID AND LAID TO REALLY DO SOMETHING AS A WHOLE -

[SUNNY WINTERS]

AND I TELL YOU - THE UPPER RANKS ARE GETTING PISSED OFF AT THE FAMILY - THE FAMILY IS ABOUT TO GO INTO THE SAME SINKING BOAT WITH THE REST OF THEM

YALL HAD A 70 YEAR GRACE PERIOD

YALL ARE STILL FUCKING UP

TIME IS UP


AND THAT TIME IS COMING FOR YALL TO KNOW WHO THE REAL DEVIL IS


SO KEEP USING THE LESSONS TO BIG YOURSELF UP IF YALL WANT - THAT FIRE DOES NOT DISCRIMINATE